Estimation Question Tips

by Victor Cheng

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This post provides the answer on how to answer the estimation question example I posted previously.

You’ll notice in the comment section of that previous post there were a wide range of answers — most of which were incorrect.

The first thing to realize in an estimation question is that an acceptable answer MUST mention a specific number.

So the question was how much time does it take to move an average mountain 1 mile (or something along those lines).

If the answer did not include a specific unit of time like X hours, Y days, Z years, then the answer was not acceptable.

By the way, I use the word “acceptable answer” instead of “correct answer” very deliberately.  The interviewer’s evaluation in this type of question is in assessing the approach you took, not necessarily the specific answer you gave.

You’ll notice that amongst the answers given that I labeled “acceptable” the answer given ranged from  few hundred hours to a few hundred years.

That’s a pretty wide range!

The next thing you’ll notice about acceptable answers is they made EXPLICIT ASSUMPTIONS.

It is not possible to answer this question without making some assumptions. They key is to EXPLAIN to the interview that you are going to make some assumptions. Once you do and once you make a specific assumption, explain your rationale behind that assumption.

For example, when I was given this question. I knew that I needed to estimate the cubic volume of the mountain. And since the mountain loosely resembles a cone, I knew there was a geometric formula to calculate the volume of a cone–except I did not recall the specific formula off the top off my head.

So my interviewer suggested that I estimate the formula of a cone, which in turn I would use to estimate the volume of an average size mountain, which would then be part of a calculation to estimate the average time it would take to re-locate it.

Notice the estimate that is nested within the estimate here. This is very common. Most important thing is to not get mixed up and confused by your own work.

I find it is useful to just write out the formula that will produce the estimate FIRST, THEN go about making reasonable assumptions.

So for the move the mountain case, the formula I wrote up on the white board during my interview was:

volume of mountain / volume of a truck * time per truck trip = total time to move a mountain

I would literally write that on the board. Thats the amount of time it would take 1 truck to move an average size mountain 10 miles (the 1 truck is an assumption as well)

Then I went about estimate each of those 3 factors.

Assume the average size mountain is 1 mile tall, 1 mile wide, and the shape of a cone. That’s approximately 5,000 ft in height and base.

I forge the formula to calculate the volume of a cone, but if I eye ball it, it is probably a little more volume than half of a cube of similar size height and base.

So the volume of a cube that’s 5,000 ft tall, 5,000 ft wide, and 5,000 ft deep is 125,000,000,000 cubic ft.

So then underneath my original formula, I would write the following:

125,000,000,000 cubic ft / volume of a truck * time per truck trip = total time to move mountain

Then I would move on to estimate the volume of a truck.

The carrying capacity of a cargo truck is the width x length x height of the cargo container.

I said, well I know those big trucks are a little wider than my car, but not by much since they still must be able to fit into a lane on the freeway. My car sits 3 people across, assuming 2 ft in shoulder width per person, that’s 6 ft of interior space. So lets add on a little more and assume those big trucks are around 8 ft in width.

I know they are about double the length of most passenger sedans. And lets see if I were to lie down in the driver’s seat to take a nap, I cover most of the interior cabin space. And the hood and trunk of the car combined are about the same length as the interior cabin. I’m a little under 6ft tall, so that makes my car around 12 ft long. If I double that, I get the length of one of those trucks to be 24 ft long. I subtract out say 4 ft for the driver compartment, and that leaves me about 20 ft in length for the cargo area.

Last time I looked, I saw a worker standing in the back of one of the cargo areas, and the cargo area was taller than the person. So I figure the cargo container is about 8 ft tall. And since most freeway bridges have signs that say “height 13 ft” and I know those trucks can go under those bridges, assuming an 8ft cargo section and a 4ft for the tires and chassis under the cargo area, that gives me 12 ft…which does seem to triangulate with the height of those underpasses. So I’ll say the cargo section is approximately 8 ft tall.

So the volume of the cargo area of an earth moving truck is:

8 ft wide x 20 ft long x 8 ft tall = 1,280 cubic feet

For sake of simplicity, I’m going to round that down to 1,250 cubit feet and plug this number back into my original formula which now reads as follows:

125,000,000,000 cubic foot mountain / 1,250 cubic foot truck capacity * time for truck trip = total time to move a mountain

So the only factor missing in our estimate is figuring out the round trip time for a trip to move 10 miles, drop its load, and return the 10 miles. Lets figure out the travel time first.  Lets assume the truck travels on the freeway at 60 miles per hour.

For it to travel 10 miles, it does so in 1/6 and hour or 10 minutes. So the drive time is 10 minutes to the new location, and 10 minutes returning to the old mountain for a total of 20 minutes. Lets assume that the off loading process has been designed to be pretty quick. The load is just “dropped” and then repositioned while the truck is on its return trip (as opposed to being scooped out of the truck, one scoop at time which seems more time consuming).

That means each round trip takes 30 minutes or 0.5 hours.

So lets go back to our formula again and update it.

125,000,000,000 cubic ft mountain / 1,250 cubit foot track capacity * 0.5 hours per truck trip = total time to move a mountain

Let me do the math now. For the first 2 components of the formula, that works out to 100,000,000 (100 million truck loads).

So 100 million truck loads x 0.5 hours, thats 50 million hours to move a mountain.

If we assume a typical day has 25 hours (to make our math a little simpler), that’s 2 million days to move the mountain using only 1 truck. That works out to a bit under 6,000 years

So that is the logic I just presented is a pretty good one that would most likely pass most estimation question interviews. You will notice that for every little component I explain WHY I felt that was a reasonable assumption.

There is a big difference between making a wild assumption vs. a reasonable one. Your goal is to make as reasonable assumption as you can come up with. When you make such an assumption, it is very important you explain WHY you made the assumption you did.

So the math is not that complicated (it’s math we all learned before high school), BUT communicating what you are doing is just as important.

It is also important that you do not make a math mistake. I wrote out this example fairly quickly and hopefully I did not make a math mistake.

If I did make a math mistake, I would full expect to get rejected even if I got the logic and assumptions largely right.

That’s just the way it works. Practice your mental math.  You DO use it a lot not just in interviews but with clients as well.

 

 

 

 

 

{ 2 comments… read them below or add one }

Erica February 29, 2012 at 3:14 am

Hi, I’m a bit confused by how you got the volume of a cone here to be 125,000,000,000 cubic ft:

“I forge the formula to calculate the volume of a cone, but if I eye ball it, it is probably a little more volume than half of a cube of similar size height and base.
So the volume of a cube that’s 5,000 ft tall, 5,000 ft wide, and 5,000 ft deep is 125,000,000,000 cubic ft.
So then underneath my original formula, I would write the following:
125,000,000,000 cubic ft / volume of a truck * time per truck trip = total time to move mountain”

You say that the volume of a cone would be a little more than *half* the volume of a cube, but isn’t the 125,000,000,000 cubic feet you end up using for the equation the volume of a cube? Not a cone? Wouldn’t you have to half it and end up with 62,500,000,000 cubic feet?

In other words – 5,000 x 5,000 x 5,000 would be the full volume of a cube. But you’d want only about half of that to get the volume of a cone with the same base and height, according to your original estimated formula.

Please explain to me if I’m missing some fundamental simple step here. Thanks!

Erica X February 29, 2012 at 3:15 am

Hi, I’m a bit confused by how you got the volume of a cone here to be 125,000,000,000 cubic ft:

“I forge the formula to calculate the volume of a cone, but if I eye ball it, it is probably a little more volume than half of a cube of similar size height and base.
So the volume of a cube that’s 5,000 ft tall, 5,000 ft wide, and 5,000 ft deep is 125,000,000,000 cubic ft.
So then underneath my original formula, I would write the following:
125,000,000,000 cubic ft / volume of a truck * time per truck trip = total time to move mountain”

You say that the volume of a cone would be a little more than *half* the volume of a cube, but isn’t the 125,000,000,000 cubic feet you end up using for the equation the volume of a cube? Not a cone? Wouldn’t you have to half it and end up with 62,500,000,000 cubic feet?

In other words – 5,000 x 5,000 x 5,000 would be the full volume of a cube. But you’d want only about half of that to get the volume of a cone with the same base and height, according to your original estimated formula.

Please explain to me if I’m missing some fundamental simple step here. Thanks!

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